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Ccfcisparks
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congratulations to Kai and anyone involved with the academy
SleepyGinger
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He’s going to get his chance to prove himself for us this year
Nick
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The loan window has closed so it's likely he will be on the bench a lot. Especially with sheaf going
looks a good prospect for us, about time someone from the academy came through,
David O'Day
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Looked pretty good and people also need to remember he's a cm who has played out of position as a 10 and on the left in the games he has played this season.
clint van damme
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Can't help but think a loan and regular minutes would have been more beneficial.
Kilclines curly mullet
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i would guess that Sheaf leaving put an end to any loan plans for Andrews
clint van damme
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I think you're right. Hopefully he gets more than a handful of 2 minute cameos
Agree to degree, but learning from Lampard as midfielder is priceless. Let’s see where we are in Jan, perhaps we will buy and he goes out then, Depending what happens.
think back to foden never leaving city on loan, Pep just said his environment was best learning (that’s clearly an exception to rule generally!)
clint van damme
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I don't buy this argument.
Clubs, and top clubs, loan players all the time to clubs with inferior squads and coaching set ups.
There must be a reason?
Man City don't lend players to clubs that are better than Man City, if staying in a superior set up was more beneficial they wouldn't do it. Foden was definitely an excrption to the rule.
But maybe Pep decided to invest some time in Foden, but he can't do that with everyone and neither can Lampard, there are only so many hours in a day.
Man City do not loan out players who they genuinely think can make it into the first team (not just Foden - Palmer, Lewis, Bobb) seeing it as more beneficial to learn from the first team & Peps notoriously difficult system
They do loan any player below that bracket as they are basically priming them for a sale (Doyle, Couto, Harwood-Bellis)
Frank likes Andrews & wants to keep him around. There were no loan links during the window. With the improvement we've seen in Rudoni/Torp it wouldn't surprise me if we think he can learn more with us
David O'Day
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Man City's academy fills a different role to the one we would want ours to.
We would want players that we think can be be of use to the first team squad where as Man City who may have one or 2 they think are good enough mostly see their Academy as a production line for players they can eventually sell on to help with PSR.
clint van damme
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It doesn't just apply to Man City though, plenty of EPL teams lend players who are then brought into the fold of the first team squad.
If it was accepted that players development was better suited not going on loan then there are plenty of loans that wouldn't have happened.
Even Andrews himself was on loan last year so the club must see some benefit to it.
TomRad85
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I guess its a wait a see thing isn't it. Personally i think i'd have liked him on loan and a more experienced player in, but i'm not against giving the youth some minutes if we think its good enough, i actually feel like most clubs at this level do this a lot more than we do. Eccles is 25 and he's the last one to come through and do anything at all, so its about time.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Staying here may well work out better than a loan; he gets access to better coaching than he'd get at a League 1 club, and if he gets regular minutes off the bench will develop just as quickly.
Hobo
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It doesn’t really, both are trying to develop players for first team football. But it is harder at Man City because of the level they play at. So they sell more off.
Just as it is now harder for ours to break into our first team now we are in the Championship.
But if you look around the lower leagues there are plenty of our ex academy lads making a living out of professional football. Which is pretty good when the stats say, less than 10 per cent of academy players nationally, go on to achieve; 20 first team appearances or more in the professional leagues Premier down to League 2.
The academy systems around the country are a bit of a year after year sausage factory. Few achieve a contract at the end of it and even fewer break through the glass ceiling to establish themselves as professional footballers. An academy has to be judged on two levels, does it occasionally produce a superstar for you. Then, does it produce professional footballers, even if they are playing at a lower level than your own first team.
I agree with you - but loans can also be detrimental. It is up to the coaching staff to decide which is the more beneficial approach for the coming season
Chris Rigg is an example of keeping a prospect - played ~800 minutes for Sunderland in 23/24 rather than going out on loan & then played 3000+ last season
Speedie's Head
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It's probably one of those tight calls. He needs to play, Lampard knows that and he's said it about the young players before, so that must be the intention to give him minutes. Hard to believe that he couldn't find a loan. If he doesn't end up playing much we'll probably see him going out in Jan.
skybluecam
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Embarrassing for Wales really. He looked out of place against a second string championship side.
Speedie's Head
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One for the future!
clint van damme
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If he gets minutes.
If he doesn't I don't think staying benefits him.
I dont buy the access to better coaches argument, if this were a thing loans would hardly exist.
Ccfcisparks
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Nothing beats minutes on the pitch for development.
Brighton Sky Blue
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My argument boils down to regular minutes at a higher level plus superior coaching works out better than more minutes at a lower level with inferior coaching.
If Frank provides time on the pitch it's justified keeping him here. If he only makes tiny cameos off the bench then it isn't.
clint van damme
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A good example of a player getting lots of minutes in several inferior coaching set ups is Harry Kane.
With regard to Ayari, what's too say being with us wasn't a learning curve for him even if it was unsuccesful?
Going back to Kane, some of his loan spells were poor but I'm sure they were still part of his development.
We often learn more in adversity.
SBAndy
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Would have liked to see him out on loan, but in the end it would have left us dangerously light in the middle. He’ll probably get some playing time.
Also can’t trust that we’d have sent him to a club that wanted to play football - the majority of our loans outward seem to be a bit of a mess. Would be nice to foster a relationship with a club who play a similar way rather than farming our next young talent out to the Orkneys.
Also can’t trust that we’d have sent him to a club that wanted to play football - the majority of our loans outward seem to be a bit of a mess. Would be nice to foster a relationship with a club who play a similar way rather than farming our next young talent out to the Orkneys.
Liquid Gold
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Llongyfarchiadau Kai
skybluecam
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He shouldn’t be anywhere near the senior squad right now though.
Briles
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Tbf I imagine Kane learned on his loan spells that he wasn't a midfielder as that where he was mainly deployed. Ayari wasnt utilised in the right way with us in my opinion so I cant see how that would be good for his development. Although he did score with his cock.