Southport Stabbing

[Otis]

His logic is you can pay a company a few hundred quid to analyse your spit and through DNA analysis they can pin point which ethnicity/race/area of the world you come from. If the gentlemen who murdered children did said test, it wouldn't say he comes from Wales, despite what his passport says.

Torch will now use these posts to spear Gynn as a racist for saying Axel isn't actually Welsh ethnically (and probably me for having basic awareness of race in the world).

That is absolutely insane

 

[hill83]

It's insane.

I actually think I’m out. Enjoy.

 

[torchomatic]

I am sure there will be more coming out about the attacker as to his views / upbringing / parents etc.

He was born in Wales. He is Welsh. No one can spin that one away.

 

[Nick]

I must confess, I don't get the logic.

So, many of the England football squad aren't English, even though they were born here?

Good job Sterling was dropped. Let's not mention the iconic English picture of Terry Butcher. Somebody had better tell Haaland he isn't Norwegian too. How about the proud scotsman Scott McTominay.

Again, surely there is so much more to things than which hospital somebody was born in? Could sit here all day reeling of examples of somebody born in the UK with a different heritage who is very much British, Brits born outside the UK who are very much British or people who were born in the UK who in no way see themselves as British.

Somebody could be of one heritage and born in a different country and be completely different to another with the same circumstances through loads of factors.

It's really impossible to say at the minute about this one example, I am sure more will come out but it's just speculation from either side isn't it?

 

[clint van damme]

So the fella with the knife was a local called Jordan Davis.

 

[David O'Day]

Peacefully throwing eggs at the police station shouting allou akbar or whatever they shout. Those Manchester coppers could of been killed, they should of kicked them harder no matter what race or religion they are. Would you of complained if the police had been on the scene earlier in Southport and dished out the same treatment to the Rwandan murderer?

The mask slips,

There's a difference between stopping a crime and stamping on someone's head when they are defenceless.

You're a typical EDL bully

 

[Grendel]

He was born in Wales. He is Welsh. No one can spin that one away.

I guess if we are going to indulge in pedantry I don’t think anyone believes Alexander Johnson is American

 

[Otis]

He was born in Wales. He is Welsh. No one can spin that one away.

It's insulting and Hill has clearly been insulted.

I see Hill as English through and through.

If we are talking about DNA tests to see what people's heritage is and deny them the notion of being English, despite being born here, well.....

This is the first time I have showed a post to my missus and her jaw dropped to the floor. Completely shocked.

Scary.

 

[Nick]

So the fella with the knife was a local called Jordan Davis.

That the one in all the pictures? 32 year old or whatever?

Hopefully that's him getting sent down for having a knife.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

So the fella with the knife was a local called Jordan Davis.

Not the Country Singer!

 

[SeaSeeEffCee]

I actually think I’m out. Enjoy.

Sorry that you’re having to put up with this mate. Not on at all.

 

[Nick]

It's insulting and Hill has clearly been insulated.

I see Hill as English through and through.

If we are talking about DNA tests to see what people's heritage is and deny them the notion of being English, despite being born here, well.....

This is the first time I have showed a post to my missus and her jaw dropped to the floor. Completely shocked.

Scary.

A huge part of it is how the actual person sees themselves to be fair.

Doesnt matter on skin colour, heritage etc.

The DNA test stuff is stupid.

 

[clint van damme]

That the one in all the pictures? 32 year old or whatever?

Hopefully that's him getting sent down for having a knife.

Yeah, in fairness he has a very impressive tan!

 

[hill83]

It's insulting and Hill has clearly been insulated.

I see Hill as English through and through.

If we are talking about DNA tests to see what people's heritage is and deny them the notion of being English, despite being born here, well.....

This is the first time I have showed a post to my missus and her jaw dropped to the floor. Completely shocked.

Scary.

I’m sound tbf, just got better things to be doing with my time

 

[Deleted member 162]

That is absolutely insane

Im just making you aware of the thought processes involved (an upstream to the issues we're seeing).

Pearl clutching and righteous indignation is not going to turn the boat around. Wake up to the ugly realities the world is facing. And stop projecting all the time, I never once said such tests make someone something or not. Idiot.

 

[fernandopartridge]

His name had already been officially released

yes, by a crown court judge

Lifting the anonymity order at Liverpool crown court, Judge Menary KC said the “idiotic rioting” in parts of the UK after the attack was one reason why it was in the public interest for his name to be released.

 

[hill83]

A huge part of it is how the actual person sees themselves to be fair.

Doesnt matter on skin colour, heritage etc.

But it does to cunts. And there’s a few on here.

Anyway.

IN A BIT

 

[Liquid Gold]

Again, not deleting and banning isn't allowing views to be argued down, these people are so far down the hole they will never accept a reasonable argument, it's allowing more and racists to come out of the woodwork and spew their shite.

This isn't just boring old Tony never talking about anything, a lot of decent posters that are clearly passionate about this club are sick to the back teeth of the open bigotry on here.

 

[Nick]

Yeah, in fairness he has a very impressive tan!

Benidorm british pubs?

 

[Grendel]

It really is irrelevant if this “person” is Welsh English or Rwandan - it’s an irrelevant discussion

 

[Otis]

A huge part of it is how the actual person sees themselves to be fair.

Doesnt matter on skin colour, heritage etc.

The DNA test stuff is stupid.

It is.

Why are people lolling at Welsh

He might well consider himself Welsh. If he does, he is

Why are people laughing?

 

[Nick]

It really is irrelevant if this “person” is Welsh English or Rwandan - it’s an irrelevant discussion

It is also just speculation as nobody really knows much anyway.

 

[David O'Day]

It is.

Why are people lolling at Welsh

He might well consider himself Welsh. If he does, he is

Why are people laughing?

Because they are cunts who probably are probably nowhere near as british as they think.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

I am just pointing out it's strange how you are adding conditions about who it should be used against. Like I said, you could have just said used against people kicking off, if somebody said "use that against Muslims or lefties only" then you would have pissed your pants.

"yeah but who's kicked off this week and is white"?

I'm saying it should be used on anybody and everybody kicking off regardless.

It's just like I said in the Manchester thread when people were crying about police brutality, if it was Tommy Robinson punching a copper and getting a boot to the face, the same people would be creaming themselves over it. This thread proves it.

Top post.
I'm now reclassifying the 1980s miners and police as extreme right wing .

 

[Otis]

It really is irrelevant if this “person” is Welsh English or Rwandan - it’s an irrelevant discussion

Yup. Why are people laughing at the notion of Welsh though.

Makes no sense.

But agree, it's not relevant to the situation.

 

[PVA]

It really is irrelevant if this “person” is Welsh English or Rwandan - it’s an irrelevant discussion

It's relevant when people are using his nationality/race/background as an excuse to demonise and/or abuse whole groups of society.

 

[David O'Day]

I'll actually give Gimoc credit as he is the only one who realised he was wrong, the rest have just resorted to whataboutery and mental gymnastics.

 

[Grendel]

It's relevant when people are using his nationality/race/background as an excuse to demonise and/or abuse whole groups of society.

No it’s irrelevant and a diversion - oh and look more unfounded hyperbole

 

[Nick]

It's relevant when people are using his nationality/race/background as an excuse to demonise and/or abuse whole groups of society.

Again, we don't really know much about him yet. It's pretty much impossible to say whether his background had anything to do with it, either way.

Demonising a whole group based on it is pathetic, whether people go after Rwandans, Welsh or whoever.

 

[Otis]

Again, we don't really know much about him yet. It's pretty much impossible to say whether his background had anything to do with it, either way.

Demonising a whole group based on it is pathetic, whether people go after Rwandans, Welsh or whoever.

Yeah, I get that.

It was just the insinuation that even though someone could be born here and consider themselves to be English , some would have it that they are NOT English.

Anyway, not going to mention it again, but it's absolutely batshit crazy.

 

[Grendel]

Yeah, I get that.

It was just the insinuation that even though someone could be born here and consider themselves to be English , some would have it that they are NOT English.

Anyway, not going to mention it again, but it's absolutely batshit crazy.

I just want him executed

 

[torchomatic]

The mask slips,

There's a difference between stopping a crime and stamping on someone's head when they are defenceless.

You're a typical EDL bully

The mask slipped a while ago.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Because they are cunts who probably are probably nowhere near as british as they think.

Says Gerry Adams' best mate.

 

[SeaSeeEffCee]

I don’t really give a shit where the bloke is from, or what nationality he identifies as, either way he’s a murdering piece of scum. We don’t even know the alleged motivation for the attack so discussion over his ethnicity is largely pointless.

I do however give a shit that you’ve got posters on here essentially say that people of certain ethnic backgrounds cannot be classified as British based purely on where their parents are from. There are plenty of children of immigrants on here and even more up at the CBS every other Saturday. What sort of message does it send to them when shit like that is getting said on here? Who are we to tell people who they are and how they’re allowed to identify themselves? What sort of representation of us as a club and a community does it send out? It’s utterly archaic thinking and should be widely condemned.

 

[David O'Day]

The mask slipped a while ago.

Throwing eggs is the same as attacking the police and smashing up a mosque.

And for avoidance of any doubt stamping on any ones head when they are defenceless is wrong no matter who they are and to compare it to what the police can do in subduing a suspect in the act is bonkers.