Parting of the sea (1 Viewer)

[dongonzalos]

So bizzare the bloke last season took over transformed the team and saved us from relegation. He then lost Westwood, Gunner, Marlon, Juke, Turner and was told to replace them with kids and now Cov are facing relaegation. Who would have thought it, sell/and or release all your best players, replace then with kids and Cov are performing not as well. I think you all right surely after doing that we should be top of the league! Sack Thorn get him out he clearly cant perform miracles get in Fergie or Martin O'neil do it quick

 

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[Grendel]

So bizzare the bloke last season took over transformed the team and saved us from relegation. He then lost Westwood, Gunner, Marlon, Juke, Turner and was told to replace them with kids and now Cov are facing relaegation. Who would have thought it, sell/and or release all your best players, replace then with kids and Cov are performing not as well. I think you all right surely after doing that we should be top of the league! Sack Thorn get him out he clearly cant perform miracles get in Fergie or Martin O'neil do it quick

Pathetic even by your standards.

 

[CJparker]

Exactly.

But no, we're bottom of the league with the weakest squad in the division, let's sack the manager, that'll help!! Just like every previous managerial change has worked wonders for this club.

 

[Disenchanted]

Totally agree, our league postion is entirely down to AT's mis-mangement and SISU are being made scapegoats
Sack him but forget Fergie or O'Neil we need young blood its got to be Pepe Guardiola

 

[derbyskyblue]

Is it half term????

 

[dongonzalos]

- Disenchanted

derbyskyblue- it must have felt like half term for AT when he took training sessions recently and he looked at the age of the squad SISU left him with

 

[dongonzalos]

Pathetic even by your standards.

Dont drink that half empty glass Duffy

 

[Grendel]

Totally agree, our league postion is entirely down to AT's mis-mangement and SISU are being made scapegoats
Sack him but forget Fergie or O'Neil we need young blood its got to be Pepe Guardiola

If you were representing Thorn in a tribunal I'd ask for my money back. Is this all we can resort to now from the Thorn supporters. Desperate sarcasm and hyperbole? The game is up I think.

 

[Grendel]

So bizzare the bloke last season took over transformed the team and saved us from relegation. He then lost Westwood, Gunner, Marlon, Juke, Turner and was told to replace them with kids and now Cov are facing relaegation.

Transformed the team? 14 points from ten games is not a transformation (same as Boothroyds first 10 games). No wins in the last four last season. Away record - 1 win in 20 crossing both seasons (21 if you include high flying Bury). Sorry don't want miracles but just acceptable levels of performance - this isn't.

 

[rob9872]

Oh I see another thread started by someone with so few posts. Def been posting on other accounts before so :welcome:back Howzer

 

[DiveDiveWhereverYouMayBe]

A constructive and forthright exchange of views. I like where this is going, I can see real progress being made this Sunday night on the whole 'Thorny issue'. Good luck, gentlemen.

 

[dongonzalos]

Transformed the team? 14 points from ten games is not a transformation (same as Boothroyds first 10 games). No wins in the last four last season. Away record - 1 win in 20 crossing both seasons (21 if you include high flying Bury). Sorry don't want miracles but just acceptable levels of performance - this isn't.

Yes prior to the SISU hatchett job or should I say recoupping personal debts before allowing the club to go into administration. So prior to losing these key players Thorn enjoyed a successful close to the season under his leadership, Coventry lost only one game.

After the hachett job his record is poor. So was he lucky last season or is it possible he is the same manager just as good but the loss of some of best players in the championship has caused the loss of form

 

[Grendel]

Yes prior to the SISU hatchett job or should I say recoupping personal debts before allowing the club to go into administration. So prior to losing these key players Thorn enjoyed a successful close to the season under his leadership, Coventry lost only one game.

After the hachett job his record is poor. So was he lucky last season or is it possible he is the same manager just as good but the loss of some of best players in the championship has caused the loss of form

They lost 2 games and the win ratio is 30% same as Coleman and Boothroyd.

 

[Paxman II]

This argument keeps coming back and folks you have very selective memory!

Of the players we lost in that list Westwood was at times well over rated for me and he is currently on the bench at Sunderland having failed to keep his place, Turner was injured for almost all of that season, Gunnarrson had lost his form for some time and at Cardiff is hardly doing any better and currently in and out of that side. The Juke was by no means a success as half his goal tally were penalties and he can hardly hit a barn door. finally King who came in later, had injuries and also had himself red carded and missing for a number of games?

All in all then the players listed you claim are the reason why Thorn is struggling now? Those same players really did not have much impact last season did they?

 

[Disorganised1]

Yeah we were such a highperforming team last season - what the flock did anyone think was going to happen this season ?

 

[@richh87]

Yeah we were such a highperforming team last season - what the flock did anyone think was going to happen this season ?

They expected to stay up comfortably apparently. God knows what they based their prediction of survival on.

I'm tired of this debate though. We should all be fighting SISU off because it is entirely their fault.

Fans like Duffy refuse to protest against SISU but will campaign to have a good man getting attractive football out of a bunch of children sacked!

People need to sort their priorities out.

 

[Ccfc1979]

Attractive football?

 

[Macca]

The youth argument is boring. Most good players are settled into a career by their teens these days. May have held some water 20 years ago but not now

 

[mark82]

Is this not almost the same as another thread?

 

[@richh87]

The youth argument is boring. Most good players are settled into a career by their teens these days. May have held some water 20 years ago but not now

That is such a lie it's ridiculous.

I'm just waiting for a poster to say "it doesn't matter what players are out there on the pitch, Thorn should make them win". It's really getting to that stage now.

 

[Grendel]

That is such a lie it's ridiculous.

So is saying someone is a decent man as a reason not to sack him (do you know him to make that judgement?).

What do you actually define as children? Christie was Thorn's first choice on the opening day of the season so you can't count him. Had Wood and McPake on the bench against Leicester. Thomas has been picked on merit with Bell and Baker on the bench.

As for Jordan Clarke he's shite isn't he?

 

[covcity4life]

torchomaniacs 2nd account?

kids....

 

[@richh87]

So is saying someone is a decent man as a reason not to sack him (do you know him to make that judgement?).

What do you actually define as children? Christie was Thorn's first choice on the opening day of the season so you can't count him. Had Wood and McPake on the bench against Leicester. Thomas has been picked on merit with Bell and Baker on the bench.

As for Jordan Clarke he's shite isn't he?

Teenagers are not experienced professionals. End of.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So is saying someone is a decent man as a reason not to sack him (do you know him to make that judgement?).

What do you actually define as children? Christie was Thorn's first choice on the opening day of the season so you can't count him. Had Wood and McPake on the bench against Leicester. Thomas has been picked on merit with Bell and Baker on the bench.

As for Jordan Clarke he's shite isn't he?

Christie was playing rugby for Woodlands just 2 years ago, now he's playing 2nd tier professional football on a weekly basis. Along with the likes of Clarke, Bigi, and Thomas, far more has been asked of these guys than would've been in an ideal situation. They've acquitted themselves well so far, and all credit to them for their effort this season. We have a really promising youth set-up under Rioch and Carsley, but SISU are messing up these guys' development by providing no cover.

 

[Grendel]

But we are not on our own. Derby have 3 19 year olds who have played 30 odd games each and a 15 year old who has featured 7 times.

Last year when Nathan Cameron started the season no one questioned it. I think if you look at the stats it's not as uncommon as you may think,

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

But we are not on our own. Derby have 3 19 year olds who have played 30 odd games each and a 15 year old who has featured 7 times.

Last year when Nathan Cameron started the season no one questioned it. I think if you look at the stats it's not as uncommon as you may think,

Not uncommon, but doesn't necessarily make it the right thing to do.

 

[Grendel]

Not uncommon, but doesn't necessarily make it the right thing to do.

But the way some people talk it is unique and a major factor in why Thorn is not at all to blame for the situation.

 

[Grendel]

This argument keeps coming back and folks you have very selective memory!

Of the players we lost in that list Westwood was at times well over rated for me and he is currently on the bench at Sunderland having failed to keep his place, Turner was injured for almost all of that season, Gunnarrson had lost his form for some time and at Cardiff is hardly doing any better and currently in and out of that side. The Juke was by no means a success as half his goal tally were penalties and he can hardly hit a barn door. finally King who came in later, had injuries and also had himself red carded and missing for a number of games?

All in all then the players listed you claim are the reason why Thorn is struggling now? Those same players really did not have much impact last season did they?

Dead right - King scored one goal in outfield play under Thorn, Gunnarson (though I was a fan) was ritually slagged off by many and our goals against ration is no worse then than it is under Murphy. And as you say Turner never even played a game for Thorn.

 

[@richh87]

But the way some people talk it is unique and a major factor in why Thorn is not at all to blame for the situation.

The number of 1st team players lost in the summer and the number of youngsters we've had to field IS unique when added together.

It was a relegation threatened squad LAST season. Now oddly a few posters - in an attempt to have a pop at Thorn, are pretending the squad is fine.

 

[Nick]

Again, the squad seems good enough to take the lead against teams and give them a good game.... Everybody was saying how amazing it was against Leeds and Boro....

 

[@richh87]

Again, the squad seems good enough to take the lead against teams and give them a good game.... Everybody was saying how amazing it was against Leeds and Boro....

Everyone was saying how good the squad was were they Nick? WERE THEY??

You see, this is the problem with the anti-Thorn people. They make up shit so they can have a go at him.

Non-league teams take the lead in the Cup against big clubs - it doesn't mean their squad is as good.

Seriously, I thought one thing City fans could agree on was that SISU had decimated the squad over the summer and recently with Juke.

 

[Sick Boy]

Everyone was saying how good the squad was were they Nick? WERE THEY??

You see, this is the problem with the anti-Thorn people. They make up shit so they can have a go at him.

Non-league teams take the lead in the Cup against big clubs - it doesn't mean their squad is as good.

Seriously, I thought one thing City fans could agree on was that SISU had decimated the squad over the summer and recently with Juke.

Can I ask what you will do when Thorn eventually gets the boot? Will you still support Coventry City?

 

[skybluesteve76]

At no point did thorn ever transform the team. He did no better than hoofroyd when he first came into the job. In my opinion it was the new manager lifts the players scenario.
It works nearly every time and is exactly what we need now to have any chance of staying in this division!


All the best

 

[Paxman II]

hang on Rich87...

Are you suggesting Juke was our golden boy?

For me he was poor at best. As a striker his goals ratio was poor from open play. When we sold him I thought that was good business.
He was a player that was never going to be the difference between us being good or bad. I think most people on here would probably rate him 50/50. Certainly in my opinion no great loss. I would have Nimely over him any day.

 

[Colonel Mustard]

You see, this is the problem with the anti-Thorn people. They make up shit so they can have a go at him.

That's a pretty serious charge. How about some examples?

Seriously, I thought one thing City fans could agree on was that SISU had decimated the squad over the summer and recently with Juke.

'Decimated' is a strong word, but yes, AT unquestionably had less to work with. No argument there. That doesn't mean that a historically low number of points is acceptable to all of us.