Anti Wasp march / protests. Where are they ? (1 Viewer)

Grendel said:

What's the sky blue trusts official strategy on wasps LAST? It's all very well banging on about protests and hiding behind keyboards but if the official body and its head at the time supported wasps and you just say there and said nothing....what does that make you?

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Like keeps being pointed out to you there's nothing stopping your own supporters group or even running for election for the trust board so it has the influence you keep telling us it's needs. You even started a thread on what you would do if you were running the trust not that long ago, it was pointed out to you that elections were coming up on that thread. Did you go for it? I think we all know the answer to that? Being anonymous behind a keyboard constantly slagging of those get out from behind theirs and do something is all you do. You're not much help really.

skybluetony176 said:

Like keeps being pointed out to you there's nothing stopping your own supporters group or even running for election for the trust board so it has the influence you keep telling us it's needs. You even started a thread on what you would do if you were running the trust not that long ago, it was pointed out to you that elections were coming up on that thread. Did you go for it? I think we all know the answer to that? Being anonymous behind a keyboard constantly slagging of those get out from behind theirs and do something. You're not much help really.

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Because most on here are all fingers and no action.

Grendel said:

Nonsense.

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I don't think so. You obviously know little about rugby supporters.

Grendel said:

Nonsense.

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No it isn't actually I know of ex leicester fans now have season tickets at wasps.
Having played Rugby for over 30 years I know a fair few who go to watch rugby.
I have been to a few games in my time watched all sorts of teams play.
Can't remember but may well have watched the wasps way back when.........

letsallsingtogether said:

No it isn't actually I know of ex leicester fans now have season tickets at wasps.
Having played Rugby for over 30 years I know a fair few who go to watch rugby.
I have been to a few games in my time watched all sorts of teams play.
Can't remember but may well have watched the wasps way back when.........

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....rest assured we are both wrong .

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:

....rest assured we are both wrong .

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No doubt.
Still waiting to know what they are organising instead of trying to turn the question as usual.

NorthernWisdom said:

That's not unreasonable.

If I had confidence a lot would turn up then I might consider it, although not sure I go to enough City games to have enough authority for people to follow tbh. It's fair to say all things need an institution behind them though, such as the Sky Blue Trust, otherwise it ends up four men and a whistle.

Bit like the SISU Out stuff earlier this season before this weekend - not sure it was any help, if not ended up a hinderance.

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Tbf I know you would.
But what about all these others that are always moaning what would they do.
They wouldn't turn up that's for sure.
They won't do anything just moan and criticise, Sorry but the wankers should just shut the fuck up as they are really just a bunch of cry babies.

As for the trust not backing a wasps boycott who do you think told us about the change in the meeting at the council Grendel.
They only had hours to try and get people up there.
So we an now also blame the Trust for everything.

Still waiting where are you all?

I think before anything is done against Wasps there needs to be thought about what the outcome and the aim should be. I bang on about pressure, but can me as an individual city fan apply any pressure? I mean things like Trust statements, newspaper articles not just marching at them.

IE. Standing outside the Ricoh shouting "Go home wasps" isn't going to achieve anything is it? It may get them negative press if there was 3 or 4,000 people outside doing it but I don't think that is going to happen. It might make people feel better they have shouted nasty things about Wasps but realistically they aren't going to pack up their shit and go. The same as SISU aren't going to because it is being shouted.

Is it going to be to pressure them to give CCFC a good deal? I think that is about the most realistic thing isn't it?

Then there is how can normal ccfc fans do anything like that? (assuming the trust / local media etc arent going to be involved).

The only thing I can think of is a show of unity behind CCFC, to basically show Wasps that might SISU might be pricks and that they might dislike them that we are CCFC.

I said before about although I disagreed when the Ribbon Fairies (I say fairies because they suddenly appear) were throwing them up in Cheylesmore and stuff as it didn't mean much. When up around the Ricoh it makes the place Sky Blue and CCFC which is always a good thing and I think maybe the best way to go.

If there was a fund like Charlton's where it was going to be action against everybody and anybody, I'd also chuck some money in to go towards flags, props etc. Maybe couldn't afford a big chunk of hundreds but would happily do a direct debit to help build it up.

Would it be a good idea to make the Ricoh sky blue for a Wasps match? Ribbons, fill the bridge with CCFC flags, railings, balloons tied up to everything and anything to make a bit of a statement. I'd happily chip in to the fund like above (which again, should and would be used for things like this whether it is against Wasps / SISU / Council) and would get stuck in blowing up balloons and tying them to things too! (Don't get me wrong, I'd do this for anything pro CCFC if I could too)

Do I think people would follow me either? Not a chance in hell, LAST and BHSB would turn up but would it be 5 people and a dog doing it? If anything I'd half expect a few to come down to shout abuse more than anything.

I am thinking as I am typing so it goes on, sorry, so I will add some more. I still think the way to go is to first build a bit more unity between fans with things like the Legacy Fund and go from there. Like I've said on the other thread about SISU action, it needs to be something that needs to be aimed at something that everybody has in common which is CCFC and their love for CCFC. It would be much stronger than basing it on hate for any side wouldn't it?

I'll get a few more constructive ideas, some I can help with and some I can't and put them in more of a list format without the babble and maybe some in a PM if they aren't suitable

There is no fund.
It is just a few of us giving what we can.
The march was Steve to organise and fair play to him.
Even thou he got raped on here by posters that were never going to turn up he put his hand in his pocket and payed for everything.
Steve has now gone so it is up to the few that are left to try and pay for anything that is organised.

We are trying to get to everyone but we know people can't be bothered.
Yes the march worked and hopefully the next big protest whatever it maybe will work.
In between we will keep doing what we can to try and get more on board.

The Wasps are not off the hook but first we are aiming at Sisu.
There are not enough out there yet to protest against the others even the ones on here who moan the most wouldn't turn up,they can't even bother to turn up to the one against our owners then come on here sneering and hoping that there would be some shit between fans.
Well sorry to upset them that is not in our remit.
Also not in our remit is anything that may cost the team.
Anti Sisu songs etc doesn't effect the team no matter how some want to whine.
I did boycott the first half on Saturday entered at half time the atmosphere was dire a few Sisu out chants from block 16 was all I heard, didn't stop us winning though.
As for average fans doing stuff what are the Trust?
They are average fans but these things take an age and then people think they don't work and have time a plenty, When the TV want an interview they give you a time you don't get a choice so time off work is needed.
People moaned about Steve on the TV but as he owns his own business he could get time off
Now we have no one who can do that so it has made it harder.
None of these thing can't be overcome but people are giving up everyday and others can't be bothered to step up to the plate.

So I am still waiting for Torch and Grendel to start the protest against the wasps or CCC I will be there.

I think I'm as "anti-wasps" as anybody but I'm not about to join a march demanding that they leave. What I will do though is politely point out to any CCFC fan who I think hasn't understood, or indeed anyone else I know who goes there, why I think they shouldn't attend. It's their choice though, I don't shout rude words at those who differ! No protest should involve putting money into Wasps, imho - their owners (like ours) are only motivated by money!

For all that I dislike what they've done can I just say that they are a good side to watch at the moment, Dai Young seems as decent a man and as good a coach as I can recall in the domestic game, and I wouldn't want to be spiteful and create a rift between their fans and ours.

My problem is with their owners, and the council who actively encouraged all of this. I've taken the time to express that to my councillors and the leader of the party at the time (and since). All I've had back was a standard response, which made a very big point of saying that it wouldn't hurt CCFC. Hmmm. I've not bothered to write to Wasps, I doubt it would really bother them.

About the fund, surely if a plan is in place then it would get money put into it? I'd certainly make a start of backing things up by chucking 20-30 a month that could help do a range of things, ideally it would be about bringing fans together as well. I am not sure on the laws of that sort of thing though. Even things like ribbons, getting stuff printed out etc.

I have said a lot that if it can be something kid friendly and aimed at the love of CCFC then nobody can argue with it. Yes it may need be as angry or hard hitting as a march or protest but for example the kids parties you see all of the kids running about, playing together and it being about CCFC. I am not saying have a kids party, but just thinks that are about loving CCFC (rather than hating SISU, hating Wasps) as nobody can argue with that.

Yes, it may be a bit soft and it may not be angry and people having that release but it would make people feel good and it would unite people and doesn't make people choose. It is all well and good saying a boycott or fill the ground but people are too set in their ways to do the other so would never agree so that sort of thing is making people choose between the 2.

I don't think anybody was hoping there was any shit between fans, I certainly wasn't.

I think that while of course people will be angry at SISU, we should be maybe playing on / building people's love for CCFC, rather than their hatred for others. That isn't saying people don't back CCFC or anything like that.

The main focus should be trying to bring the city fans together, but that's just my opinion so probably doesn't count for much Good examples are when it is politics I'd never agree with you on anything, and vice versa but away from the politics it would be different.(I even agree with Italia sometimes about actual football).

That's why people are here, that's what it's about.

duffer said:

I think I'm as "anti-wasps" as anybody but I'm not about to join a march demanding that they leave. What I will do though is politely point out to any CCFC fan who I think hasn't understood, or indeed anyone else I know who goes there, why I think they shouldn't attend. It's their choice though, I don't shout rude words at those who differ! No protest should involve putting money into Wasps, imho - their owners (like ours) are only motivated by money!

For all that I dislike what they've done can I just say that they are a good side to watch at the moment, Dai Young seems as decent a man and as good a coach as I can recall in the domestic game, and I wouldn't want to be spiteful and create a rift between their fans and ours.

My problem is with their owners, and the council who actively encouraged all of this. I've taken the time to express that to my councillors and the leader of the party at the time (and since). All I've had back was a standard response, which made a very big point of saying that it wouldn't hurt CCFC. Hmmm. I've not bothered to write to Wasps, I doubt it would really bother them.

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That's the other thing, I wouldn't want anything to start targeting their fans, it would be the whole scab stuff. It wouldn't achieve anything at all.

Take one thing at a time, having too many fronts and it ends up dividing people. Our priority has to be getting sisu away from our club, 9 out of 10 fans I talk to seem to want this, no I'll go further I would say 95 out of 100 want it, but on here it seems a lot closer even the bloke who runs the site,Nick, says more about Wasps being here than SISU.

Wasps ain't going anywhere, but once SISU have been sorted and they will be, we can all concentrate on a better Ricoh deal signage etc, for our football club. The ignorance of facts by a number of those against Wasps is really alarming, some for example just can't get it into their thick heads it isn't political, that it was a unanimous decision, that means for those who still can't grasp it Labour and Conservative combined voted for Wasps to come here.

I believe Wasps want ccfc here at the Ricoh, need us here in my opinion. As others have said If those on this site who are the most outspoken about Wasps presence in Coventry want to form an organised group to protest do so in fact Nick or Grendel or Torch or Stupot or one or two others do that. Instead Nick of offering to bung 20/30 quid a month into a fund use another user name and form a group of anti Wasp posters should make interesting reading.

rupert_bear said:

Take one thing at a time, having too many fronts and it ends up dividing people. Our priority has to be getting sisu away from our club, 9 out of 10 fans I talk to seem to want this, no I'll go further I would say 95 out of 100 want it, but on here it seems a lot closer even the bloke who runs the site,Nick, says more about Wasps being here than SISU.

Wasps ain't going anywhere, but once SISU have been sorted and they will be, we can all concentrate on a better Ricoh deal signage etc, for our football club. The ignorance of facts by a number of those against Wasps is really alarming, some for example just can't get it into their thick heads it isn't political, that it was a unanimous decision, that means for those who still can't grasp it Labour and Conservative combined voted for Wasps to come here.

I believe Wasps want ccfc here at the Ricoh, need us here in my opinion. As others have said If those on this site who are the most outspoken about Wasps presence in Coventry want to form an organised group to protest do so in fact Nick or Grendel or Torch or Stupot or one or two others do that. Instead Nick of offering to bung 20/30 quid a month into a fund use another user name and form a group of anti Wasp posters should make interesting reading.

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Again, surely the priority is getting somebody better than sisu into the club?

You start off by saying having too many fronts divides people and then say start another fans group? What would another fans group actually achieve?

Why would it be interesting reading if people say about pressure on wasps to sort a deal at the ricoh that's good for ccfc?

You say wasps aren't going anywhere, but sisu will be. What makes you think that?

Also that people are ignorant of facts, what facts are they?

rupert_bear said:

The ignorance of facts

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The irony, given half your posts over the years!

duffer said:

I think I'm as "anti-wasps" as anybody but I'm not about to join a march demanding that they leave. What I will do though is politely point out to any CCFC fan who I think hasn't understood, or indeed anyone else I know who goes there, why I think they shouldn't attend. It's their choice though, I don't shout rude words at those who differ! No protest should involve putting money into Wasps, imho - their owners (like ours) are only motivated by money!

For all that I dislike what they've done can I just say that they are a good side to watch at the moment, Dai Young seems as decent a man and as good a coach as I can recall in the domestic game, and I wouldn't want to be spiteful and create a rift between their fans and ours.

My problem is with their owners, and the council who actively encouraged all of this. I've taken the time to express that to my councillors and the leader of the party at the time (and since). All I've had back was a standard response, which made a very big point of saying that it wouldn't hurt CCFC. Hmmm. I've not bothered to write to Wasps, I doubt it would really bother them.

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I said in an earlier post that on Saturday I saw a guy with a shed load of WASPS tickets giving them away to city fans at the match if that is not disaffection our fans I dint know what is.

The fact that anything with the word Wasp in seems to get your interest, views etc yet anti sisu and your veiled defences of them seem materialise. You mentioned bunging £20/30 a month into a fund if it helped. You Nick support more anti Wasp threads than anti sisu. Regarding another fan group there are a number on here who refer to our SBT when discussing the Wasp scenario, they have enough on their plate, working guys trying to make a difference, I though there was a seperate forum for Wasp threads. As for NortherhWisdom thanks for taking interest in my posts and reading them, I ignore yours, fucking boring

rupert_bear said:

The fact that anything with the word Wasp in seems to get your interest, views etc yet anti sisu and your veiled defences of them seem materialise. You mentioned bunging £20/30 a month into a fund if it helped. You Nick support more anti Wasp threads than anti sisu. Regarding another fan group there are a number on here who refer to our SBT when discussing the Wasp scenario, they have enough on their plate, working guys trying to make a difference, I though there was a seperate forum for Wasp threads. As for NortherhWisdom thanks for taking interest in my posts and reading them, I ignore yours, fucking boring

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Can you point out defences?

Yes, I mentioned a fund for things like ribbon and stuff against everybody, that includes sisu.

Is it that strange to mention the sky blues trust when talking about things like this?

rupert_bear said:

As for NortherhWisdom thanks for taking interest in my posts and reading them, I ignore yours, fucking boring

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Which is why you're clueless

Yes

Nick said:

Can you point out defences?

Yes, I mentioned a fund for things like ribbon and stuff against everybody, that includes sisu.

Is it that strange to mention the sky blues trust when talking about things like this?

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Yes at this time, they have enough on their plate. The Wasp/CCFC/Ricoh issue is not the priority might be once these JRs are done keep your powder dry until then.

rupert_bear said:

Yes

Yes at this time, they have enough on their plate. The Wasp/CCFC/Ricoh issue is not the priority might be once these JRs are done keep your powder dry until then.

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Why would things be 1 or the other though? Nobody is saying the trust should be standing outside the Ricoh shouting Fuck off Wasps, as it would be pointless and they clearly wouldn't pack their bags and go.

Also, is "keep your powder dry" the phrase of the day?

rupert_bear said:

Whats all this latest Wasp bollox again ? They are here, probably to stay live with it ! Our concern needs to be ccfc, it's Acadamy in less than a years time, where we will be playing in 18 months time and the FL will want concrete assurances sooner rather than later. Another nail in the Acadamy coffin today. I firmly believe get shut of SISU agreements with Wasps over Acadamy training and the Ricoh would be a formality. But I also believe sisu will get nothing from Wasps with any hint of continuation of the legals.

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you could say the same about sisu, shall we stop trying to get them out?

letsallsingtogether said:

There is no fund.
It is just a few of us giving what we can.
The march was Steve to organise and fair play to him.
Even thou he got raped on here by posters that were never going to turn up he put his hand in his pocket and payed for everything.
Steve has now gone so it is up to the few that are left to try and pay for anything that is organised.

We are trying to get to everyone but we know people can't be bothered.
Yes the march worked and hopefully the next big protest whatever it maybe will work.
In between we will keep doing what we can to try and get more on board.

The Wasps are not off the hook but first we are aiming at Sisu.
There are not enough out there yet to protest against the others even the ones on here who moan the most wouldn't turn up,they can't even bother to turn up to the one against our owners then come on here sneering and hoping that there would be some shit between fans.
Well sorry to upset them that is not in our remit.
Also not in our remit is anything that may cost the team.
Anti Sisu songs etc doesn't effect the team no matter how some want to whine.
I did boycott the first half on Saturday entered at half time the atmosphere was dire a few Sisu out chants from block 16 was all I heard, didn't stop us winning though.
As for average fans doing stuff what are the Trust?
They are average fans but these things take an age and then people think they don't work and have time a plenty, When the TV want an interview they give you a time you don't get a choice so time off work is needed.
People moaned about Steve on the TV but as he owns his own business he could get time off
Now we have no one who can do that so it has made it harder.
None of these thing can't be overcome but people are giving up everyday and others can't be bothered to step up to the plate.

So I am still waiting for Torch and Grendel to start the protest against the wasps or CCC I will be there.

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I would contribute what I could if I knew where, might be worth setting something up.

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Grasping at straws now ? Embarassing

rupert_bear said:

Take one thing at a time, having too many fronts and it ends up dividing people. Our priority has to be getting sisu away from our club, 9 out of 10 fans I talk to seem to want this, no I'll go further I would say 95 out of 100 want it, but on here it seems a lot closer even the bloke who runs the site,Nick, says more about Wasps being here than SISU.

Wasps ain't going anywhere, but once SISU have been sorted and they will be, we can all concentrate on a better Ricoh deal signage etc, for our football club. The ignorance of facts by a number of those against Wasps is really alarming, some for example just can't get it into their thick heads it isn't political, that it was a unanimous decision, that means for those who still can't grasp it Labour and Conservative combined voted for Wasps to come here.

I believe Wasps want ccfc here at the Ricoh, need us here in my opinion. As others have said If those on this site who are the most outspoken about Wasps presence in Coventry want to form an organised group to protest do so in fact Nick or Grendel or Torch or Stupot or one or two others do that. Instead Nick of offering to bung 20/30 quid a month into a fund use another user name and form a group of anti Wasp posters should make interesting reading.

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I would say 99.99999% want sisu out of the club, and that includes Nick and the others you've name checked.

You can protest on a number of fronts, it is not an either/or option.

Everyone knows it was voted for by both conservative and labour councillors and it was unanimous, so I'm not sure what your 'ignorance of the facts' point it. Hell, the invasion of Iraq had a large majority backing cross party support, must have been the right decision then.

I also believe wasps will want us to stay at the Ricoh and unlike a lot on here (inc you?) I'm not worried about what will happen in 18 months time, as I'm confident when push comes to shove, they will agree another short term deal and the FL will use their discretion. Yes, wasps will want us to stay, but on their terms for their benefit, slowing milking us.

I've already said earlier on this thread, this really needs to be led on by the Trust who should be fighting and lobbying on all fronts. I don't have the time or resource or infrastructure or contacts to organise/lead on something like this, if I did, I would.

IIRC You have been quite vocal about your concerns about us potentially moving out the city at the end of the current contract. Do you think sisu will leave before the end of the current contract? If not, don't you think that on top of sisu action, that pressure should be put on wasps and others to come back around to the table?


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rupert_bear said:

Also, is "keep your powder dry" the phrase of the day?

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Grasping at straws now ? Embarassing[/QUOTE]

How is it grasping any straws?

Seen the phrase used twice in a day, that's all.

Would you be against any sort of pressure on wasps to sort a deal alongside CCFC?

Stupot, find me a quote where I have been "vocal" about leaving the city again, my concern is much more serious than that and I have been voicing this for months. If sisu are dragging their heels hoping that at an eleventh hour people power will help a short time cut price deal will influence that I do worry. It isn't just the Wasp landlord involved wish it was we have the Football League too who have already given 4 year dispensation for a promised new ground to be built or at the very least planned. Hasn't happened has it. Remember at the time sisu were asked by the FL for a million puns bond as an assurance, what if they asked for that again ? or worryingly a lot more based on the history, sisu look skint to me.

rupert_bear said:

Stupot, find me a quote where I have been "vocal" about leaving the city again, my concern is much more serious than that and I have been voicing this for months. If sisu are dragging their heels hoping that at an eleventh hour people power will help a short time cut price deal will influence that I do worry. It isn't just the Wasp landlord involved wish it was we have the Football League too who have already given 4 year dispensation for a promised new ground to be built or at the very least planned. Hasn't happened has it. Remember at the time sisu were asked by the FL for a million puns bond as an assurance, what if they asked for that again ? or worryingly a lot more based on the history, sisu look skint to me.

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The FL have already confirmed they would allow the club to move out of Coventry again.

Grendel said:

If you aren't anti wasps then by definition you support franchising in sport and would have no objection if ccfc moved 90 miles away.
Do you not have a problem if that happened then? Extraordinary.

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Ah – “by definition”. A nice easy black and white statement that no doubt gives you a warm feeling of moral superiority inside. But simplistic bollocks.

There isn’t a single one of the 92 (?) league clubs that anyone would contemplate allowing to move to a different area. They all clearly represent a very specific place, and moving would spark universal condemnation and 100% resistance from fans.

Wasps should never have moved out to Wycombe. It was a totally unsuitable location, it diluted and fragmented their fan base, and IMO made them a de facto franchise, ripe for the picking.

People (including their own fans as well as vehement “anti-franchisers” on this site) say they should have moved anywhere from Oxford to Upton Park in the East End of London! Would such people “by definition” support moving Everton over to Warrington in the Merseyside area? Of course they bloody wouldn’t, we all know where Everton should be.

The Wasps move came out of unique circumstances and sets no precedent for the vast majority of sports clubs. The people who have embraced it (rugby followers, journalists and commentators, players, politicians, sponsors) are entitled to do so without being labelled as immoral hypocrites by you.

By the way, I agree that it harms CCFC and I wish with all my heart that we had bought the Ricoh instead. But we didn’t and now we have to work with the reality. An anti-Wasps campaign as such would be a complete waste of time - like Nick says it needs to be pro-CCFC but putting pressure on Wasps (and others).

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Of course not, but it's about the right timing. Wasp management I doubt are idiots and will know any action or inaction by them resulted in ccfc having to leave Cov or cease to exist would be a cross to hard to bare. As for the FL using their influence they might but you have to remember they represent 71 other members of their competition if any of those members. complain that. could give problems, ask you a question do you think either one or both the. clubs in the bottom two of division two won't complain. If I was their chairman I would.

rupert_bear said:

Wasp management I doubt are idiots and will know any action or inaction by them resulted in ccfc having to leave Cov or cease to exist would be a cross to hard to bare.

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Would it though? They bought the stadium without so much of a whimper from our fans, they're damaging out academy by moving and building at the higgs without so much of a whimper from our fans, they stopped negotiations on a longer deal without much of a whimper from our fans. And they can do all of this as 99.999999% of us all hate sisu and it gives them a nice easy deflection to stack all the blame on. (And no I'm not saying sisu are not to be also blamed)

If they said, sorry but we can't work with sisu, or we can't give what the club needs, the vast majority of the fan base would shrug their shoulders and blame the club/sisu and wasps would once again get away without a whimper from our fans.

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Grendel said:

The FL have already confirmed they would allow the club to move out of Coventry again.

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Fucking hell Grendel you ain't thick, it's in the FL rules that can happen they can't just alter rules to suit. So when asked the direct question can only give the official answer. One question though is where within the prescribed radius. Would be interesting under these FOI rules being probed by the Telegraph questions to all the various councils police forces within if anyone sisu, Otium whoever have asked to play their matches in their area.

stupot07 said:

Would it though? They bought the stadium without so much of a whimper from our fans, they're damaging out academy by moving and building at the higgs without so much of a whimper from our fans, they stopped negotiations on a longer deal without much of a whimper from our fans. And they can do all of this as 99.999999% of us all hate sisu and it gives them a nice easy deflection to stack all the blame on. (And no I'm not saying sisu are not to be also blamed)

If they said, sorry but we can't work with sisu, or we can't give what the club needs, the vast majority of the fan base would shrug their shoulders and blame the club/sisu and wasps would once again get away without a whimper from our fans.

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That's pretty much how it goes.